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dom; and indeed, it is peculiarly essential to the constitution of this country, that the members of both Houses should be free in their persons, in cases of civil suits ;: for there may come a time, when the safety and welfare of this whole empire, may depend upon their attendance in Parliament. "God forbid that I should advise any measure that would in future endanger the state but the bill before your Lordships, has, I am confident, no such tendency; for it expressly secures the persons of members of either House, in all civil suits. This being the case, I confess, when I see many noble Lords, for whose judgment I have a very great respect, standing up to oppose a bill, which is calculated merely to facilitate the recovery of just and legal debts, I am astonished and amazed. They, I doubt not, oppose the bill upon public principles. I would not wish to insinuate, that private interest had the least weight in their determination.
This bill has been frequently proposed, and as frequently miscarried; but it was always lost in the Lower House. Little did I think, when it had passed the Com. mons, that it possibly could have met with such opposition here. Shall it be said that you, my Lords the grand council of the nation, the highest judicial and legislative body of the realm, endeavor to evade, by privi. lege, those very laws which you enforce on your fellowsubjects ? Forbid it.justice I am sure were the noble Lords as well acquainted as I am, with but half the difficulties and delays occasioned in the courts of justice, under pretence of privilege, they would not, nay, they could not, oppose this bill.
I have waited with patience, to hear what arguments might be urged against the bill, but I have waited in vain ; the truth is, there is no argament that can weigh against it. The justice and expediency of the bill are such as render it selfevident. It is a proposition of that Dature, that can neither be weakened by argument, nor entangled with sophistry Much, indeed, has been said by sume noble Lords, on the wisdom of our ancestors, and how differently they thought from us. They not only decreed, that privilege should prevent all civil suite from proceeding, during the sitting of Parliament, but likewise granted protection to the very servants of members. I shall say nothing on the wisdom of our an. cestors; it might, perhaps appear invidious; that is not necessary in the present case. I shall only say, that the noble Lords who flatter themselves with the weight of that reflection, should remember, that as circumstances alter, things themselves should alter. Formerly, it was not so fashionable, either for masters or servants to run in debt, as it is at present. Formerly, we were not that great commercial nation we are at present; nor,
former ly, were merchants and manufacturers members of Parliament, as at present. The case now is very different ; both inerchants and manufacturers are, with great propriety elected members of the Lower House. Com. merce having thus got into the legislative body of the kingdom, privilege must be done away. We ařl kuow that the very soul and essence of trade, are regular payments; and sad experience teaches us that there are men, who will not make their regular payments, with out the compulsive power of the laws. The law, then, ought to be equally open to all; any exemption of particular men, or particular ranks of men, is, in a free and commercial country, a solecism of the grossest nature.
But I will not trouble your Lordships with arguments for that which is sufficiently evident without any. I shall only say a few words to some noble Lords, who foresee much inconveniency from the persons of their servants being liabie to be arrested. One noble Lord observes, that the coachman of a Peer may be arrested while he is driving his master to the house, and consequently, he will not be able to attend his duty in Parliament. If this were actually to happen, there are so many methods by which the member inight still get to the house, that I can hardly think the noble Loril is serious in his objection. Another noble Peer said, that by this bill one might lose their inost valuable and honest servants. This I bold to be a contradiction in terms; for le can neither be a valuable servant, nor an honest man, who gets into debt, which he is neither able nor willing to pay, till compelled by law. If my servant, by unforseen accidents, has got into debt, and I still
wish to retain him, I certainly would pay the debt. But upori no principle of liberal legislation whatever, can my servant have a title to set his creditors at defiance, while, for forty shillings only, the honest tradesman may be torn from his family, and locked up in a gaol. It is monstrous injustice! I 'fatter myself, however, the determination of this day will entirely put an end to all such partial proceedings for the future, by passing into a law, thebill now under your Lordships consideration,
I come now to speak upon what, indeed, I would have gladly avoided, had I not been particularly pointed at, for the part I have taken in this bill. · It has been said. by a noble Lord on my left hand, that I likewise am running the race of popularity. If the noble Lord means by popularity, that applause bestowed by after ages, on good and virtuous actions, I have long been struggling in that race; to what purpose, all trying time can alone determine; but if the noble Lord means that mushroom popularity, that is raised without merit, and lost without a crime, he is much mistaken in his opinion. I defy the noble Lord to point out a single action of my
life, where the popularity of the times ever had the smallest influence on my determinations. I thank God, I have a more permanent and steady rule for my conduct, the dictates of my own breast Those that have foregone that pleasing adviser, and given up the mind to be the slave of every popular impuise, I sincerely pity; I pity them stiil more, if their vanity leads' them to mistake the shouts of a mob), for the trumpet of fame. Experience might inforın them, that many who have been saluted with the huzzas of a crowd one day, have received their esecrations the next; and inany, why by me popularity of their times, liave been beld up as spotless patriots, have nevertheless appeared upon the historian's page, when truth bas triumphed over delusion, the assassins of liberty. Why then, the noble Lord can think I am ambitious of present popularity, that echo of foliy, and shadow of renown, I am at a loss to determine. Besides, I do not know that the bill oow before your Lord. ships will be popular; it depenis much upon the caprice of the day. It may not be popular to compel peo.
ple to pay their debts; and in that case, the preseot must be a very unpopular bill. It may not be popular, neither, to take away any of the privileges of Parliament: for I very well remember, and many of your Lordships may remember, that, not long age the popular cry was for the extension of privilege ; and so far did they carry it at that time, that it was said that the privijege protected members even in criminal actions ; nay, such was the power of popular prejudices over weak minds that the very decisions of some of the courts were tinctured with that Jocirine. It was, undoubtedly an abominable doctrine; I thought so then, and think se still: but nevertheless, it was a popular doctrine, and came immediately from those who were called the friends of liberty; how deservedly, time will show. True lib. erty, in my opinion, can only exist wben justice is equally aciministered to all; to the king, and to the beg. gar. Where is the justice, then, or where is the law that protects a member of Parliament, more than any other man, from the punishment due to his crimes ? The laws of his country allow of nó place, nor any employ. ment, to be a sanctuary for crimes; and where I 'bave the honor to sit as judge, neither royal favor, nor popular applause, shall ever protect the guilty.
I have now only to beg pardon for having employed so much of your Lordships' time, and I am sorry a bill, fraught with so many good consequences, has not met with an abler advocate, but I doubt not your Lordships' determination will convince the world, that a bill calcu. lated to contribute so much to the equal distribution of justice as the present, requires, with your Lordships, but very little support.
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I-Cicero against Verres. Tue HE time is come, Fathers, when that which has
, long been wished for, towards allaying the envy your order has been subject to, and re novio the inputations against trials, is effectually put it your power, An opinion has long prevailed, not only here at home, but likewise in foreign countries. both vangerous to you, and peruicious to the stałe, that in prosecutians, men of wealth are always safe, however clearly convicied. There is now to be brought upon this triat before you, to the confusion, I hope, of the propagators of this sianderous imputation, one, whose life and actions condema him, in the opinion of all impartial persons; but who according to his own reckoning and declared dependence upon his riches, is already acquitted : I mean Caius Verres. I demand justice of you, Fathers, upon the robber of the public treasury the oppressor of Asia Minor and Pamphylia, the invader of the rights and privileges of Romans, the scourge and curse of Sicily. if that sentence is passed upon him which bis crimes deserve, your authority, Fathers, will be venerable and sacred in the eyes of the public; but if his great riches should bias you in his favor, I shall still gain one point-to make it apa parent to all the world, that what was wanting in this case, was not a criminal, nor a prosecutor, but justice and adequate punishment.
To pass over the shameful irregularities of his youth, What does his quæstorship, the first public employment he held, what does it exhibit, but one continued scene of villanies ? Cneius Carbo plundered of the public money, by his own treasurer, a consal stripped and betrayed, an army deserted and reduced to want, a province